Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). That is not anything to diss. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Understanding? However, we do know that David Mack does. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Have to completely agree you T2. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Tilly is Trekdom. Shaming is one thing. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. David Ajala: Yeah. The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. So. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Thats the thing about DSC. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. What do you mean? She is a real girl. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. Ive never liked Tilly. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. And we saw the results of all that. Took time to reset the franchise. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. Sisko on the other hand. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Smart doesnt mean competent. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. Its all pretty subjective. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? She is relatable and human and wonderful. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. (laughs). To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. I found him quite annoying, myself. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. It inspired her to switch careers. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. So I was also just very excited for the fans. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. She cant control her weight. 1:15. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). By being visible on your TV screen? Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. I could watch Tilly all day! The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Keep up the great work ladies! Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? Diplomacy? Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. | March 22, 2022 | At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Thank you for your counter opinion. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. What tradition do you speak of? Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? And Tilly is the Trekkie. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. I like me. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. Mary Wiseman. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Why is that a command level position? Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. Story: With . (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. Paramount+'s Star Trek: Discovery is the flagship of the modern-day Star Trek television franchise, premiering in 2017 and about to launch its fourth season on November 18. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Im not counting on it. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Way too many issues. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. Makes sense. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. But admittedly, its pretty close. Tilly is justannoying. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. I lovvvve Lilly/Tilly and her curves. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Its just lazy writing. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. the only one worth saving.. quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. She isnt back on Discovery. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Episodes will be. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. They basically wrote her off the show! However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . And to be honest, her character has regressed significantly over the past few years. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Good for Mary! There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. Loved that show, so did my wife. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. And tons dont. ..I have a total girl crush. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. 108 comments so far. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. Hahahaha! Age is affecting my memory haha. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. I think theres room for it. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Well said, Edward. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). 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Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Please back up your statement. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. | December 23, 2020 | Its gotten very stale now. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way.
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